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To Snip or Not To Snip – The Great Debate

Posted in Science, skepticism with tags , , , on August 25, 2009 by Northernskeptic

This was posted by my friend Chantale on Facebook.  I find myself opposed to genital mutilation as unnecesary in any form, so I was interested to hear from a mother’s point of view.  Thanks to Chantale for allowing me to share this with you.

Tonight while I was sitting in the waiting room (for what seemed like endless amounts of time just to get a cotton swab rammed down my throat and a prescription for anti-biotics) there was a piece to the news that got my ears, made them ring and probably had everyone around me thinking I was about to embark on some wild rampage with the look on my face. Yes, I was so irritated by the whiny barely 18’s curling up to their boyfriends to whine about their upset tummies that I lost it…Okay, seriously, I probably could have gone off on that…”It’s a stomach flu twat, grow a uterus and deal with it and until you do, PLEASEdon’t have children, you make women look weak, feeble and stupid…”

The excerpt was about the great debate on circumcision and whether we should do it or not.

In this excerpt, Africa is making the claim that circumcision decreases the chances of transmitting the HIV/AIDS virus by up to 60% and they have (essentially) mandated circumcision in some regions of Africa to prove this theory. They will be bringing their “evidence” to a summit meeting in the States surrounding HIV/AIDS. The gyst of it all was that if African doctors can substantiate this claim enough, Canada (in supporting the stop of HIV/AIDS spreading here) will “mandate” circumcision in boys at birth.

Anyone else suddenly feeling a little Soviet come out?

Now, me personally – I do not support circumcision. When I was pregnant with Nicholas, I did a lot of research on the topic, I even went so far as to write out the pro’s and con’s on paper and talk to some of my male friends – Next time around, I won’t ask for testimonials, apparently it’s just not the type of conversation a guy wants to really have…Wait, next time around? Ugh, nevermind, I’m not going down that road here…

Does that mean that I won’t date a man who’s circumsized? Hell no! I’d never get laid by anyone in my age group – Either that or I’d still be with my high school boyfriend, weighing in at 450 pounds with a heavyweight champion belt around my waist, sitting on my lard butt eating Twinkies and Ding Dongs all day, barking at our kids because I’d be a lonesome, miserable hag.
“Hey, woman, get back on topic here…No one wants to picture you THAT way.”
“Whhhhhhattttt? There’s some humour in knowing that I’ve potentially killed how many sexual urges in less than 5 lines, no? Okay fine…”

Back in the day, and for several decades, it was common practice for boys to be snipped at birth – The argument was that it was cleaner, less infections and some people even had it in their heads that it just looked better that way.
The Jewish culture makes it a great big celebration when a young boy gets his willie pruned and Mel Brooks (God bless that man for his simple, stupid humour) takes it to a whole new level playing a Rabbi trying to sell circumcision as a new fashion trend done with the mini-guillotine in “Robin Hood, Men in Tights”. Please tell me I’m not the ONLY lame ass who’s seen, and enjoyed, this movie…

Fast forward to 2005, statistically, 60% of the population does not believe in circumcision – That still leaves 40% that do, but, how many of those 40% are likely doing it because their husband/partner is circumsized and it only seems right to go with the “like is like” idea?Personally, I feel male circumcision is no different than female circumcision, and if we were born this way, there’s some reason for it – Yes, foreskin may look like a nasty extra piece that the Good Lord didn’t know what to do with it so he just threw it there, but, the same idea could be applied to vaginal lips too…Oh yes, I’m crossing into that line, and now to wait for the “boys” to chime in on how women need “pussy lips” and men don’t need “a toque”

Now, I spent most of pregnancy tossing between the yes or no on circumcision if I had a boy – I talked to my Mom about it, I read through a lot of forums and articles on it. Naturally, it’s about time I tear apart the arguments “for circumcision”:

1. It’s cleaner – Back in the 60’s, sure it was. Can you honestly tell me that in 45 years of technological and medical advancement that we didn’t learn better ways to clean a penis? If we could develop a drug to give a 90 year old man an erection that’ll last longer than any man in his 20’s, you’d think we could do the simplistic bottom line of “making your penis last longer by keeping it clean“.
In the 60’s, we didn’t give our kids a bath or shower every day, instead, 4 kids shared the same bath water, and the last kid in got screwed with dirty, soap scum water that was ice cold – And that wasn’t even every day. Can we say CESSPOOL of cooties?

2. Less infections – See point #1 – However, not only is cleanliness a big factor, somewhere between 1960-something and 2005 we discovered the idea that foreskin actually protects the urethra from bacteria entering it. Yes, boys can still get infections, but, I don’t know too many “extra dangly” men who’ve encountered that because it all comes down to the bottom line,clean your pecker and clean it properly.
On a side note, I don’t care if a man’s wearing a toque down there or not, cleanliness is still next to godliness, and you ain’t coming near me if your equipment’s not clean.

3. It looks better – Sure, if I’m only ever seeing it when you’re limp. When a man gets an erection, “Ooh are you ready for this? Are you, are you?” that foreskin retracts anyways.

Further on the above, I feel it is completely cruel to inflict such pain on an innocent child – We should love our children just the way they are when they come into this world and not want to change them. Perspective, it’s like giving your week old baby boy plastic surgery. I have seen and experienced some of the downsides to circumcision.
“Downsides? There can’t POSSIBLY be downsides, can there?”
“But of course, would it be a debate with only upsides?”

Come the end of the day, it is a human being performing the circumcision – To be human is to err…Accidents happen…There’s plenty of lines that go on that same idea – Mistakes happen, the foreskin can be cropped too short causing painful, curved erections later in life (receiving it that way isn’t so pleasurable either), the incision could infect (as if the procedure itself isn’t hard enough on a newborn, throw in a green gunk oozing out of their little body), and there was even a case when the doctor completely screwed up (maybe he was trying to look up Mommy’s short skirt, who knows) and he ended up lasering off a portion of a young boy’s penis! That was corrected by turning Johnny into Jane and returning the blue sleepers with baseballs for pink with flowers…Seriously, who wants to risk any of that over 1/4 inch (if it’s even that much) of skin?!?!?

My personal views are my personal views – I own them. I have friends who have chosen to circumcise their children, and I don’t sit outside their house picketing and chanting all kinds of random obscenities about their choice – Could be fun, but not over this, it’d have to be something REALLY stupid like the colour she dyed her hair….

I support the idea of reducing the spread of HIV/AIDS, I’d even love to see them find a cure before I’m rolling over in my grave – I support medical and scientific advancement a whole heck of a lot. But I would certainly love to see this “evidence” and compare the “standard of living” between Africa and Canada to have those differences considered too. Furthermore, I feel that education is the key is stopping the spread of any infectious disease.

This theory of circumsizing our children to stop the spread of HIV/AIDS is no different than saying “It’s okay son, stick your dick anywhere you want, you shouldn’t get anything because our government had you circumsized.”

You cannot convince me that chopping off 1/4 inch of skin is going to magically drop the HIV/AIDS rates down by 60% on these simple facts:

1. It is very uncommon for a man to contract the HIV virus through vaginal sex with an infected woman.

2. Most (not all, most) women who are HIV positive or have full blown AIDS and got the disease through sex got it from that load of hot, steamy, HIV infected cum a man blew into her temple. Circumcision will not make cum cleaner, nor will it stop it from going inside a woman in the situation of unprotected sex.

3. It takes 13 LITRES of saliva from someone infected with HIV/AIDS to run the chance of contracting the disease – It takes one cum shot or one needle prick to risk contracting the disease.

What’s next? “Condoms” for needle users to “reduce” the risk of HIV/AIDS transmission? Give me a break…Look at the whole picture before making some outlandish claim, it’s more than just sex that spreads HIV/AIDS…